Saturday, October 29, 2005

The truth about Joseph Wilson

***UPDATE*** Since I posted this the Special Prosecutor indicted Scooter Libby on Purgery and Obstruction of Justice charges. The same charges that Clinton plead guilty to and Martho Stewart was convicted of. The prosecutor has obviously determined that no crime was committed in the "leaking" of Ms. Plames identity but has possibly trapped Libby in misstatements. Who knows what will come of that.

What has still not happened is the truth about Plame and Wilson come out in the MSM. Read the Weekly Standard (here, here, and here)articles for a clear picture of who Plame and Wilson are and what they tried to do to the President. Read the comments below to get a picture of what sort of thinking (or lack thereof) is behind the "Bush lied" mentality that nearly half the voters in America have. It's amazing that the half that hates Bush doesn't understand what their hatred says about the half of us that love him.

ORIGINAL POST
There is currently a grand jury investigation into the "leaking" the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame. The investigation seems to be focused on two high level members of the Bush administration..........Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.....as the source of the leaks. There is a great deal of speculation about possible indictments coming down in the case. I'm predicting that there will be no indictments, and here's why............There is a very high likelyhood that Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame are the source of the "leak" about her status as a "covert" CIA operative. Why do I believe this? It's a long and very boring story and it starts with Wilson's trip to Niger to "investigate" Iraq's supposed interests in buying "Yellowcake" uranium from African nations. The facts on this investigation are laid bare in this article in The Weekly Standard by Stephen F. Hayes

Hayes makes the case that Wilson and Plame set out to sabotage the President's campaign by creating the illusion that the CIA had informed Bush that Iraq was not trying to obtain Yellowcake. Clearly there is plenty of evidence that Iraq was indeed trying to buy the stuff. But Wilson and Plame were able to get the media to spin the story the way they.........longtime democrat activists.............wanted it spun

You see, it's easy for the media to make false charges and drum up a case where there is none, but it's difficult to make that case hold up in court when all the facts are brought in by agressive defense attorneys.

I think if the prosecutor, Fitzgerald, brings indictments he will be placing many journalists and others (CIA types) in the hotseat where the whole truth will come out. My thoughts are that the anti-Bush forces do not what the whole truth out and are pressing hard to keep the Grand Jury from indicting. Afterall, the harm they wanted done to Bush has already been done.

**NOTE** I began writing this a week or so ago, but much has happened in the case since then and today I am not so confident that there will be no indictments. Rumors today are that Fitzgerald is considering "Obstruction of Justice" or "Perjury" charges, meaning there was no "illegal outting" of Plame's identity in the first place but he thinks someone lied to cover up the crime that never happened. It may be that the anti-Bush forces are dumber than I thought.

Of course if there are indictments the defense will aggressively lay out the case that Plame and Wilson's planned to damage Bush's campaign in cahoots with the media. They will also go after the media who is attempting to hide their other "anonymous sources". Everyone who testifies will try to cover their hinnys by outting whoever the real "rats" in this case, bringing the anti-Bush chickens home to roost, which will amount to a major public opinion win for Bush and loss for his enemies.

29 Comments:

At 2:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I vote for the person and what they represent...not the party they're affiliated with. I will tell you this...there is no way that this CIA officer outed herself. That's not how it works at an Agency like that. No one that is employed there wants anyone other than their family members to know that they work there. Believe it or not...you're a target if you do work there and who needs that sort of attentionin their already chaotic lives??? Covert or overt...you don't want anyone knowing where you work or who you work for...If you've never worked there you wouldn't understand. From day #1...you are told what you're allowed to say...AND you can bet your last dollar this CIA officer was polygraphed about "outing" herself...and YES it will show if she's being deceptive. Put the blame where it belongs...not where you want it to be!!! It's a shame when your own government officials are putting other people's lives in danger and these people are the very people who are doing their damndest to keep this great country safe. It would make no sense for her to have leaked this to the press. She would gain absolutely nothing from it...Someone has to be the scapegoat...Cheney obviously isn't going to admit to anything..so the next person would be Libby...Nope...not a Bush hater...but this administration is losing faith of the American people...

 
At 2:19 PM, Blogger senorlechero said...

Well anonymous...........I find it funny that you wish to be known as "not a Bush hater", yet you jump to blame Cheney and the administration for this "leak"

Are you completely ignorant of the fact that Plame posed for photos in Vanity Fair? "Well that was after her identity was leaked" you say? Well her photo wasn't leaked. She gladdly posed for the photos in her husbands sports car.

and what motive would she have you ask? TWO motives I answer. #1 She and her husband ARE Bush haters of the first degree. Read the Weekly Standard piece in my post (unless you are comfortable in your ignorant bliss)and #2 MONEY. Joe has already capitalized big time, and Plame will be coming out with her book soon....complete with many photos of the Vanity Fair variety no doubt.

You have no idea if she has even been interviewd by the FBI or the CIA or the special prosecutor in these matters (I doubt she has been) so for you to say "AND you can bet your last dollar this CIA officer was polygraphed about "outing herself"........is hogwash.

Bet your own dollar, not mine

 
At 8:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can call me ignorant...but I'm not so ignorant to think this administration is without fault. Yep..I do blame someone in this administration for the leak...and when this all started Bush said he would find out who did this and their would be consequences for who ever did it...BUT now..he has nothing to say about it...
Plame can't just pose in Vanity Fair unless she has permission from the CIA....NOR can she have a book published without permission from the CIA. Again..you wouldn't know these things unless you're around these agencies.
OH..and I would bet my last dollar...she's been polygraphed...I know...poly's are given on a regular basis...
And the reason she did this was because she hates Bush??? Lame...there are many people who do not like Bush....so she did this knowing this could make herself a target...that makes no sense....(and notice..I didn't attack you like you did me)

 
At 8:43 PM, Blogger senorlechero said...

Actually........you did "attack" me.......You said "put the blame where it belongs....not where you want it to be"........that is called Ad Hominem attack.......since you can't prove your point (that Bush is guilty) you throw out the idea that somehow I (Bush supporters) are in denial.

And I did not call you ignorant.....you may be, I don't know......I asked you "Are you completely ignorant to the fact.....?" It was a question.

However, you've made it quite clear that your mind is made up, so what the heck......Hang Bush and all his lying thug administration.......after all, this is America isn't it?

 
At 6:04 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't consider that an "attack"...That is just the way it should be. The blame SHOULD be placed where it belongs...not where we would like it to be. I never said Bush leaked it or was guilty of anything. I'm sure that "Scooter" wasn't the only one involved in this...so let the chips fall where they will.
AND yes you did call me "ignorant" in all my bliss. That's ok...we all have different opinions and that's what makes America great!!!
You say I can't prove anything...but YOU can't prove Plame and her husband were behind this. I'll still bet my last dollar she's been polyed about the "outing" of her name to the press and showed no deception.
AND..yep..you're right my mind is made up...this administration knew and "Scooter" was told to lie to cover up something that could've been taken care of in a much different way. Thugs??? You said that...not me...so is that how you really feel???

 
At 9:25 AM, Blogger senorlechero said...

Anon

Did you read the weekly standard article that is linked in my post?

If not, then most likely you ARE IGNORANT about Mr Wilson and Ms Plame and their political views

If you did not, they you don't really care about the truth and are "comfortable in your ignorant bliss"

I'll quote you.....that's not an "attack, it's just the way it" is

 
At 5:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just wish Mr. Lechero would stop generalizing when he makes statements such as "...the half that hates Bush... the half of us that love him." I don't hate the president I just disagree with him on some things and agree on others, just as I do Mr. Lechero. When I hear or read comments that attack and discredit people I immediately lose interest in what the author is saying. Even if you don't like someone you still respect them, at least that is what I learned in church. I object to people who claim they are Christians in this country spreading hatred and claiming that all Christians believe this or that. You have every right to post your own opinions but stop generalizing.

 
At 7:44 PM, Blogger senorlechero said...

anon

You tell me what the truth is with absolute authority

You tell me that I "attack" you but deny your own attack on me

You declare that "the American people" are losing faith in Bush but tell me not to generalize

Then you talk about what you "learned in church" while moralizing to me about what I should or should not do?

You are a classic example of a person who hold themselves righteously above others yet act very unrighteously.

Since you went to Church, maybe you should re-read the passage about removing the stump from your own eye before you point out the spec in another's

 
At 8:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not the same person who posted previously. Your assumption is incorrect. I posted about learning in church that Christians are tolerant, forgiving, and conduct themselves in the image of the Lord. May I ask where you go to church sir? I would like to understand how a Christian organization could foster a person with such anger and bitterness.

A Fellow Christian

 
At 4:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm only "ignorant" because I don't agree with you...that's your thinking. I think it is you that is comfortable in your "bliss". I'm not judging anyone about their political views...we all have different one's...and that's what makes this country so great. You're the one that has pointed the finger at Plame and her husband and your reason was because they hate Bush. That's RIDICULOUS!!! I'm not generalizing...I'm just stating the facts that I read in the news or hear on the news...or what my colleagues have to say...The percentages change every week...and not in his favor. SO...I guess maybe you think all these people who are involved in these polls are..Bush "haters"...NO..I don't think so...How is it I'm acting "unrighteously"? Because I don't agree with you??? I don't think a person who works everyday to keep this country safe would ever be called unrighteous...a person who would die for others or to keep others safe from those who are hell bent on killing Americans. If that's being "unrighteous"...I'm fine with that...

 
At 6:51 AM, Blogger senorlechero said...

Anon "fellow christian"

Why don't you worry more about yourself than me!!! You post anonymously but want to know more about me? There is plenty of info on my profile

And talk about angry? Have you ever heard the term "passive/aggressive? Look it up the re-read ALL of these comments.

How acout listing exactly what comments I made that are show "such anger and bitterness"? List one at a time so I can respond. You see the bible teaches that you confront a "brother" with specific sins against them.

I'll respond to each one.

But I won't play your game off attacking christianity because I don't like what a professed believer says or does.

 
At 7:02 AM, Blogger senorlechero said...

anon "original commenter"

Your ignorance is specifically about who Plame and Wilson are and their motives for attacking Bush (which you claim they had no reason to do)

All your blustering is a straw man. Read the Weekly Standard articles then respond specifically to the facts about Plame and Wilson. You can choose to ignore the facts or claim they are not true...but at least then you won't be ignorant

 
At 11:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You know...all I said in the beginning was that Plame didn't "out" herself...and that no one in that Agency wants anyone to know other than the family members where or who they work for...Her safety as well as the thousands of others who work there basically watch their backs each and everyday. AND..all you can say is that she did because she "hates" Bush and this was some grandious scheme to get him and make money...
You can choose to ingore the facts about people who work for these Agencies...their lives are being watched very closely...Therefore...you're ignorant to believe that she hasn't been polygraphed about this "leak" that you think her husband and herself came up with...It's pretty clear you want someone who doesn't really care for Bush to take the blame...I'm thinking the special prosecutor has indeed found what he needed to proceed...The truth will find you out...and it did just that...

 
At 6:18 PM, Blogger senorlechero said...

Anon )original poster

There's no sense talking to you anymore. You have not read the Weekly Standard articles that were in my original (then updated) post, so you have no idea what you are talking about or why I said what I said about Plame/Wilson.

Have the last word if you so choose.

 
At 1:05 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh please...I'm quite sure I do know what I'm talking about...I just don't choose to see it YOUR way...AND...you really sir...do not know what you're talking about...You're still wanting to blame Bush "haters"...enough said!!!

 
At 11:42 AM, Blogger senorlechero said...

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At 1:11 PM, Blogger senorlechero said...

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At 1:14 PM, Blogger senorlechero said...

Well I guess the anonymous poster (fellow christian) has disappeared. Too bad, I was really looking forward to what charge he/she would bring against me.

This poster pops into the middle of a conversation between myself and another anonymous poster and accuses me of being a person who "who claim they are Christians in this country spreading hatred and claiming that all Christians believe this or that."

When I responded, assuming it was the original anonymous poster, they posted this....."I am not the same person who posted previously. Your assumption is incorrect. I posted about learning in church that Christians are tolerant, forgiving, and conduct themselves in the image of the Lord. May I ask where you go to church sir? I would like to understand how a Christian organization could foster a person with such anger and bitterness.".....and signed off "A fellow christian"

Isn't it rich when a person attacks you with a baseless slur like that, doing the very thing they are charging another with?

Life is full of such rich examples of hypocracy, especially within the church (meaning the entirety of christendom).

So I pointed out that this person was violating the rules laid out in the bible for "confronting" a fellow believer who "sins" against you, and asked the person to make a specific charge.

Anyone want to lay down the odds of that happening.

In the meantime, the original poster reads my response to the "fellow christian" poster and assumes I am responding to him/her, and gets all bent out of shape because I pointed out the lack of righteousness in fellow christians attack

I guess we have two Bush haters who can't follow the thread of comments posting under the uncommon name "anonymous". No wonder were all confused.

So, to end the confusion I gave anonymous poster #1 the last word, which I don't think he/she used very well ("sticks and stones...etc.) and am posting this recap.

 
At 3:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

First of all...I am not confused...you are....Secondly...what's with the "sticks and stones". I don't see anyone being derogatory but you...

 
At 11:37 PM, Anonymous AJ said...

Anon -

I think it is pretty funny that you so adamantly defend Plame saying things like,

"Plame didn't out herself...and that no one in that Agency wants anyone to know other than the family members where or who they work for...Her safety as well as the thousands of others who work there basically watch their backs each and everyday."

You are so sure about this, and yet you have never addressed the fact that she did an interview and photoshoot with Vanity Fair. If someone doesn't want anyone to know who they work for, what are they doing letting a picture of themselves go out in a magazine read by hundreds of thousands of people?

 
At 1:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

AJ...

You should read before you write...I have addressed that issue...and once again...She was allowed to do it..because she was given permission from the Agency...there would've been no other way for her to have done Vanity Fair..or to write a book...YES..I do know this..and she did this only after someone "outed" her...

 
At 12:35 PM, Anonymous anonydudette said...

I see that senor lechero predicted that anonymous would say "and she did this only after someone "outed" her" in one of his comments.

Even though this top secret agent Valerie Plame was "outed" nobody knew what she looked like, or for that matter what Joe Wilson looked like, but they did after the V.F. photos came out. That doesn't sound to me like someone concerned about their safety or the safety of her family.

I just read all of the comments, and the original anonymous poster did get confused when S.L. responded to the phony religious anonymous poster, so if you are the original anonymous poster you are confused, just like S.L. said you were

 
At 2:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dudette...not confused at all..knew he wasn't referring to me...but responded plain and simple. Plame is not a top secret agent in the first place...so many misconceptions about this story. Doesn't matter if you're covert or overt...you don't go out and tell the world that you work there...not a very good idea especially in the world we live in today.
Anyhow...her own neighbors didn't know what she did for a living...not until the leak was made...AND..like I've stated too many times already...she got the permission she needed from the CIA to do exactly what she did with the magazine..HELLO...she will not be allowed to do the same job with the Agency if she even still works there...
Don't begin to think you know if I was confused or not..I wasn't..and I'm still not...but apparently you are assuming that I was.
As far as the other "anon" person...why is this person a phony???
Joe Wilson??? I'm not really sure why anyone cares what he looks like...he's not Agency...so he was neither overt or covert in his job...He just happened to be married to someone who worked for the CIA and obviously cares about his wife's well-being...

 
At 3:28 PM, Anonymous anonydudette said...

You really are confused, or you are lying.

Senor Lechero responded to the anonymous christian (thinking it was you,who said alot of bad and incorrect things about S.L.)by saying "You are a classic example of a person who hold themselves righteously above others yet act very unrighteously."

Your response (because you thought S.L. was talking to you) was to say "How is it I'm acting "unrighteously"? Because I don't agree with you???" That was your post. YOU WERE CONFUSED!!!

Now you think by saying the same foolish thing over and over you can get out of your remarks. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Some of us care about the truth

Either admit it or quit posting.

 
At 5:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh good grief...now you're calling me a liar...Are you and the Senor one in the same. SO..hateful and in the attack mode. I read what the other person wrote..so why would I think he's talking to me??? You're making absolutely no sense here..I responded because he thought I was the other anon..If I'm making "foolish" remarks...don't read them...I speak what I know..especially when it comes to the Agency...and after reading your posts...you really don't care about the truth..you just want some one else to take the blame...
and no..I won't quit posting because you don't like what I have to say...the truth is out there..so let the prosecutor do his thing....

 
At 5:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 9:03 PM, Anonymous anonydudette said...

Nice loving comment for someone who calls others "hateful"

 
At 8:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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At 9:09 AM, Blogger senorlechero said...

In the immortal words of another "loving" person.......
"Can't we all just get along"

 

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